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The cbo score today? >> i think cbo reports something very similar to the house version of this bill. the coverage numbers will be better, the premiums lower, the senate will have constructs up up front money. this will be a bill that relieves a great burden on the economy. it will put the budget on a more sound path. right now they're causing trillion dollar deficits, and it will target the most needy americans. >> jonathan, how about you. >> it is best to say it will be slightly more positive. it is not saying much, and once again look, the bottom line is let's not listen to the gibberish yo...

We'll be happy to give them and they'll be happy to live on. giving them a better standard of life that our parents gave us. you as a conservative should be embracing them, not ridiculing them. >> just for clarity, i don't call myself a conservative. i call myself a libertari eerta. big difference. >> i'm sure there is. >> don't you want to preserve the planet for your children? >> absolutely. we all do. what's the current path? it's a sound path. we've reduced air emissions 70% since 1980, so we're doing a great job. >> when people hear this crisis about greenhouse gases, they think the air i...

>> he wants the applause but won't do the heavy lifting the ugly stuff, putting people in a room. >> i think you are correct in that observation. we've not made progress. what we get is, hubris after this big election 2%, maybe, win they've got a lot of confidence and shoving the numbers further than a few months ago. i think it endangers our need to reach an accord so we can avoid some of the big tax increases of this fiscal cliff. keep our country on a sound path. >> greta: what do you think is going to happen? >> i don't know. i can't see it ending well for those of us who believe in a frug...

Each year? >> yes. in statutory law, there is a requirement that by april 1, the senate committee passes out a budget and we pass a budget and by april 15, an entire budget be passed. that has not been done for years now. it's just unacceptable because really, when senator reid says it's toolish to bring up a budget, he's really avoiding having his members have to confront in public -- not in secret meeting, but in public with votes the real issues that threaten america. it's tough. i got to tell you, it's not going to be easy. but we are absolutely able to change the debt course and get on a ...

>> one thing that really is important that the president lays out no plan for reform of medicaid, social security, medicare. those are just off the table and no real reform is proposed there. and if you are going to propose a plan for the future of america that puts us on a sound path, you've got to step up to the plate and lead on some of those tough issues. >> i want to go back. you referred to this as we have a debt crisis. so if we are in a crisis situation, why are tax hikes off the table? >> i would just say to you we haven't reduced spending. this proposal to increase taxes wa basically...