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Kinetic. finally the intelligence. we have to make inroads to the sunni tribes in iraq and syria. they are there. they are on our side. we need to show them we are committed and stay the course and for heaven's sakes, don't do some deal with the iranians that tells everybody in the sunni side of the world we are on their side. >> i was going to say, isn't this the big picture question here. the cancer is in syria. it seems to me every policy decision right now in the white house is driven by their desire to get a deal with iran. this effects how they are responding to the problem in syria beca...

We need all sorts of intelligence and ultimately it takes a human source to get inside the chain of these organizations. >> based on some preliminary conversations, one of the old hat tricks in iraq under saddam hussein was to have a series of look alikes operating so they never knew where the target was. i would not be surprised if we have a similar scenario here. >> there is a bounty on his head. you get your $10 million where is the incentive? >> what is the incentive? what is the incentive for us to get human intelligence and get someone to break bad on his side? >> his predecessor is fing...

Barrel. because turks in particular pay so much for gas there is supply and demand a market. you can find people to smuggle it and buy it. they have to drive the trucks across the border and work with middle men in syria and turkey. and law enforcement, treasury designations and a military capability if they are going across particular crossings with the trucks. >> you say there are ways to do it. why aren't we doing it? or are we doing it? >> this was a political decision. the president had decided that we were going to seriously start tackling isis. secretary of defense says we will start ta...

I sat down with former deputy at treasury department. he has followed money trails for more than a decade. nice to see you. where is isis getting money? >> it is getting some money from resources controlling territory biggest is oil. we used to think as much as $2 million a day and rolled back to a million. let's say it is half a million dollars a day, i would take that paycheck. they are also getting funds not as much as al qaeda but some through major donors in the gulf. the problem is they have always been financed through localized crime in iraq. isis is today what used to be the islamic s...

Watch he calmly cleaned teeth. he went on a 15 minute rant. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> it was the first time many followers laid eyes on him. >> he was also known as sometimes meant from that part of iraq. he is an islamic scholar even though some western scholars ridiculed. >> he has been a shadowy presence for a very long time. >> reporter: as a u.s. army intelligence officer kevin