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I'm dylan ratigan, and this is the "dylan ratigan show," and up next, chris matthews, which starts right now. to the moon and back, let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews, from washington, leading off, live long and prosper. that was mr. spock's farewell wish in "star trek." so let's talk space. anyone old enough to remember the moon landing or john glenn orbiting the earth or alan shepard's first flight, remembers how we were all filled with pride. we didn't make it 0 to space first, the soviets did. but we beat them to the moon. do we still need manned space flights? are...

To the moon and back. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews, from washington, leading off, live long and prosper. that was mr. spock's farewell wish in "star trek." so let's talk space. anyone old enough to remember the moon landing or john glenn orbiting the earth or alan shepard's first flight, remembers how we were all filled with pride. we didn't make it to space first, the soviets did with sputnik but we beat them to the moon. do we still need manned space flights? are they worth the money and the risk? president obama says no, at least not for now. but a lot of people...

Billion over five years creating 2500 additional jobs. that was a major concern in florida and texas and elsewhere. and they are going to move up their timetable to deciding what next step is in terms of a heavy lift rocket to take americans on manned missions to outerspace, decide in 2015 on that specific rocket that will take us deeper into space, tamron. so a number of moving parts here. very interesting, the white house changing course slightly, no more manned space flights. the american government from nasa after the shuttle system is retired in short order. >> msnbc's mike viqueira, than...

Amateurist this bunch is. they carried this plan up to congress and said, congress, we're not cutting the budget, by the way, we still want our $19 billion but we don't know what we're going to do with it. >> for the first time in nasa's history, there will be no manned space flights. they don't know exactly -- >> they're -- >> homer, here's the thing, the guy the white house has got, their point man, is a climate guy. >> exactly. >> wants to turn nasa into the big green house department. >> first of all, again, amateurist. that's not nasa's job. that's noaa's job. because of what you're doing...

Wouldn't have a way through nasa to get our astronauts to the space station. we would be hitching rides. i didn't like it. i think the space program and nasa are symbolic of our achievements and what we can do as a nation. it needs to thrive. it's always been the focus of cost-cutters because of its budget, even though it's less than $18 billion a year, compared to more than $600 billion for the defense department, it's a drop in the bucket. everyone talks about the importance of privatization. that's what we are doing with these space flights. getting ready to award contracts to private compa...