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Station. this is something that's been coming for a while. nasa has been coming for a while. nasa has been wanting it for many years, and now this is the beginning. nasa is looking, as you know, to decommission the international space station in 2030, so between now and then to manas i would like commercial companies to build and operate space station so that nasa can come in the future, aboard the space stations as much as it is now leasing these missions aboard space x space crafts. so completely different change in model, if you will about how operations will be conducted. this is the begin...

'ust a station. in your view it is not just a one — station. in your view it is not just a one for _ station. in your view it is not just a one for rich _ station. in your view it is not just a one for rich space - station. in your view it is not i just a one for rich space geeks but potentially the start of space as an accessible destination. i wanted to talk to you about some of the wider ambitions. nasa has wanted to off—load transportation to these international space station for some time now to the private sector. space x itself wants the user capsules to conduct their own crewed mis...

Of course we are tracking all of the objects that we can in space that are larger than, say, a soft ball and so are the russians and so are the chinese so this kind of thing when you are operating a space station is pretty much a normal part of your operations. i was going to say, is there any kind of air traffic control up there? it sounds like there isn't, but i was just looking at the figures. elon musk�*s starlink satellites, he's put up 1,600 of them. he's got authorisation from the us to put up 12,000. this does feel like a problem that is about to get potentially exponentially worse. ...

Unusual, it is not unusual for the iss to change its orbit to dodge a piece of orbital debris or something like a satellite and so it is, i don't want to say routine, but it's not unusual. of course we are tracking all of the objects that we can in space that are larger than, say, a soft ball and so are the russians and so are the chinese so this kind of thing when you are operating a space station is pretty much a normal part of your operations. i was going to say, is there any kind of air traffic control up there? it sounds like there isn't, but i was just looking at the figures. elon muskï¿...

Certainly still needed. >> well, what's really cool, christi, since, you know, i hemmed build the station 20 years ago and commanded ten years ago, the cost of launch has gotten so cheap that now it becomes commercially viable. for private commercial companies to put up space stations for research, for like building things and for tourism. an that's what nasa is handing over earth orbit to. and there are at least four different space stations in early stages of funding now on the commercial side and that will clean up the rest of the universe for nasa to go and explore. >> nice. commander chri...