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It has 156 units and all are being evacuated. i asked how many are in this building? they don't have a complete manifest but that's something they are working on. i can tell you we seen people woke walk out towards this building and walk towards a church where they plan to ask for help. in the past few days, wolf, we've become very familiar with some of the words being used to describe these buildings. i'll quote from this report. if there is cracked and spaulled masonry units, the same thing for reinforced concrete tie columns, tie beams, as well. there is cracked and spaling also in stucco a...

What was being done to the building that in any way gave a reasonable concern that this type of event was possible? >> no, nothing. what the board knew was outlined in that certification report. and they were entirely dependent on the items that the engineering would outline in that report. typical things that an engineer looks for in a certification report, in miami-dade and broward county, which are the two counties that require this kind of certification, a review of the roof, the hvac plumbing, but certainly, if there was nothing hard outside that was outlined in that report, anything that...

Those things resonate in terms of issues that were going on with the building that were more significant than a 40-year over year certification? >> no. absolutely not. so a lot of these buildings, chris, that are built on the barrier area and on coastal islands, particularly in this age group that have reached or are near their 40-year birthday, you'll see spaling because of the location. you'll need roof replacement. these are not odd, you know, occurrences when it comes to building maintenance. so once again, yes, there was an ongoing roof replace program. it takes time. right now, we also h...

And then there were bids. in florida wonder florida law, boards have to get competitive bids for certain contracts that are above a certain price. >> for the roof? >> for everything. if they're going to do concrete repairs, they need to get competitive bids. those bids were still out and had not yet come back. >> so what about that as a significant issue, that there was concrete work that needs to be done? is that around the foundation? is that something that needs to be looked at? >> it's concrete work typically, chris, that's spaling. we normally see that -- >> so spaling is where rebar, whi...

Different spot, but there is one sentence in this article which makes you wonder. the question is, was that more widespread across that whole level? if it had been, how much of a concern would that be to you? >> yeah. again, it was. we saw evidence of spaling throughout the parking garage. again, it's well documented that at this point we recognized there was spaling, to the extent we saw below the south end of that pool structure, maybe not to that extent. again, we did see evidence of that in that 2018 report. as we said, something that occurs over many, many years. when we see failures we s...