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Down on them. and that's -- we need that kind of reciprocal relationship. they can't just say, we don't know anything about this. a sparrow doesn't fall in russia that putin doesn't know about. >> i want to turn to another issue here at home, a voting rights. senator joe manchin wrote an op-ed this morning saying he will not support the voting rights legislation called the for the people act. you've been working on this in the senate rules committee. senator schumer says he's going to bring it up for a vote this month. there are other democrats, democratic state election officials who have con...

Relationship. they can be important in a lot of areas, the arctic and other areas of the world. they can be a stabilizing influence or destabilizing influence. but on the other hand, i'm positive that cyber is going to be on the table when they're discussing these things. and part of the problem is, it's one thing when it's a state actor, when it's russia -- the russian government attacking us as they did in the 2016 election. it's a little more difficult when it's a russian criminal organization based in sat. petersburg or moscow. they got to quit tolerating this within their border. if we ha...

They've got to quit tolerating this within their border. if we had an international bank robbery outfit in richmond, virginia that was robbing banks in europe, we'd come down on them. our law enforcement would come down on them. and that's -- we need that kind of reciprocal relationship. they can't just say, we don't know anything about this. a sparrow doesn't fall in russia that putin doesn't know about. >> i want to turn to another issue here at home, a voting rights. senator joe manchin wrote an op-ed this morning saying he will not support the voting rights legislation called the for the p...

He was responsible for the murder of khashoggi. do you disagree with that assessment? >> no, no, they concluded that based upon his control over the government of saudi arabia. in other words, they didn't -- there's no intelligence that i know of that links him directly to the action. but what their conclusion was, that a sparrow doesn't fall in saudi arabia without the prince's knowledge and involvement. and i think, you know, that's really the issue. so, you know, i think this is -- this is a very serious issue. and as i say, i think he has to come forward and be straightforward about it and...