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If the liberals get his scalp on this thing, they've essentially won a key battle. it has become this incredibly partisan, polarized issue. so, yes, all of this is true, but it's hard for me not to see what donald trump said today defending scott pruitt as not being a reflection of that conversation in the conservative spe sphere. >> we're out of time, but do you think the president is someone who's willing to sacrifice his brand for someone who's going to drain the swamp for someone who obviously has no ethics? >> that's the question for trump tonight. and the truth is, everything that philip...

>> does kucinich have any impact moderately officialfiscally cone democrats? he wanted a bigger more expansive bill? >> i don't. he's pretty much in his own spe sphere, area of the universe. f interesting guy. i won't be cynical here though, i don't know if there was a kick back or a deal. but the most persuasive thing that the president can do in a situation like this is to ask and say i really need your vote. when the head of your party, the president of the united states asks for that, it's a big deal. now there's a whole question as to what they get when they get that. dee dee says the per...