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Day. joining us with much more insight right now, evan perez. evan, what stands out to you the most in this indictment? >> well, i think the thing that stands out the most, jake, is the fact that, you know, prosecutors portray the former president as someone who's just reckless in his handling of the nation's most closely guarded secrets, things that require special handling. and you know, we were talking about top secret documents, things that are special access programs that require special handling of those documents. you can only read it in certain specific rooms that are protected from sp...

The defense might want to make their case. all in all a stunning document at the end of the a stunning day. joining us with much more insight right now, evan perez. evan, what stands out to you the most in this indictment? >> well, i think the thing that stands out the most, jake, is the fact that, you know, prosecutors portray the former president as someone who's just reckless in his handling of the nation's most closely guarded secrets, things that require special handling. and you know, we were talking about top secret documents, things that are special access programs that require special...

Investigation into january six. it's always good to have you on the show. many people know that you were an intelligence officer in the united states air force. but i wanted to get your reaction straight out of the gate to the extent of the classified information that trump illegally retained after his presidency. >> i think what's amazing, is that katie, good morning by the way, what's amazing to me is that he actually told somebody on tape. this is why, when you see reactions from people like andy breaks. even clay hagan's talking about military mission planning, the fact is, he said, look, ...

>> i think it's hard to say between apples and oranges which is worse. the level of the documents that are there are how they were handled, both are equally bad. just really shocking, the nuclear secrets are the most protected, and especially anything with nuclear response. i thought that was more than what i would have expected in terms of the level of secrets -- special access programs, very few people read into those programs and that those documents would be down there. it's alarming, and quite frankly, it's weird. i don't know why people would want to take those or remove them, i think mo...

You? >> it's pretty bad. we're talking about at least nearly a dozen documents of these hundred documents they found after the fact that were marked with what's called sensitive compartmented information. another eight documents were marked with special access programs. these are literally the special access programs, the most sensitive government information that we have. they are obtained through very sensitive collections, sensitive human sources and the like. so the idea that the president retained these documents, continued to have them in his possession and then at least on two occasions...