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A lot of them have been thrashing around, it hasn't worked, and isis is now a bigger threat. >> so in terms of a coordinated effort, special ops forces, would that be more effective if it was arab-led? do we need better coordination in the region? >> well, of course, it would. in theory, the front line states, the sunni muslim states of saudi arabia and egypt and turkey and jordan ought to be playing the lead. but they're not going to. so the only reason we're involved in this discussion is paris just had 450 killed and wounded. europe has a tremendous threat. the u.s., thank god, much less so...

Summit in turkey who is to leave in a few hours, and tell me about the dission kugs. you have been in the high level talk, and given what they are talking about, where is the conversation going in your mind? >> well, you are right. two administrations i have sat in that white house situation room, and to some extent now, they are thrashing around and trying to discuss the public optics of what is going on. one of the things they can discuss is not micromanaging the military and intelligence response of the isis threat. that white house press conference of msnbc covered, we talked about less th...

Overseas. that's what stops the killing in europe. that's what stops the killing eventually in the united states. but we need leadership to do that. >> why don't we, general, is the question. you watch them moving about in these areas. there's said to be 30,000 something in that area of them in existence. we have to take away their safe haven. we've done hair strikes. we've got 30 special ops forces on the ground. you have to feel for them because that's not a big number. they're trying to figure out a very big task. >> yeah, isis is certainly at war in the middle east and trying to accomplish...

50 special ops forces in syria and leave 10,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan. >> well, putting the special ops people in there is better than not having them there. because they -- that's why they're called special ops. they're actually able to guide some of the other things that we're doing there. and what we have to recognize is that putin is trying to really spread his influence throughout the middle east. this is going to be his base. and we have to oppose him there, in an effective way. we also must recognize that it's a very complex place. you know, the chinese are there, as well as the ru...

Hard-to-follow, a little vague. but there was one part of that answer which was very, very specific, and has now led to further revelations of ben carson's secret and mysterious sources of information. >> do you support the president's decision to now put 50 special ops forces in syria and leave 10,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan. >> well, putting the special ops people in there is better than not having them there. because they -- that's why they're called special ops. they're actually able to guide some of the other things that we're doing there. and what we have to recognize is that putin is...