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Started as nicholson's deputy in the counterterrorism center. at that time radical islamic terrorism was on the rise. so there was a lot of real work stuff going on that you had to focus on. >> they were looking at critical players who eventually became known post 9/11. >> in the middle of all that you're trying to catch your boss compiling information he's going to give to the russians. >> to have a human source in touch with him every day is invaluable. >> getting to know him was part of the exercise. i spent a lot of time going to lunch with him, drinking beer with him. my goal with the inv...

Apparent that he had a special view of himself. a ruthless narcissistic guy that didn't care about anybody. and you're with him all the time. there was no retreat from it. >> jim nicholson is the most formidable opponent you could possibly go up against as a counterespionage agent because he's so well-trained in the craft. >> and mcguire provided personality assessment back to the fbi. what's he thinking, how's he thinking. and john was very, very good at it. >> and even with john, as close as john was to him, that's still not giving us the exact intel and insights to what is he doing minute b...

Who are never going to vote for her. so talking to some people who aren't necessarily joe biden supporters i can tell you, but who have kind of a counterintuitive view that this means joe biden shouldn't and couldn't run because of last night. >> and, dana, we watching on television saw tons of interesting moments. you had a special view of what was going on on stage. tell us something we didn't see on tv last night. >> reporter: well, you know, when you moderated the debate in simi valley, it was so intimate. there were a few hundred people on the stage built 45 feet in the air. so the candid...

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