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House jeopardy may or may not be. but it's awfully early still, and mueller has held his cards very close, so this is a very interesting move. >> michael, pam brown talked about this -- i'm sorry, laura. you were wanting to say something. >> thank you. to be clear, the whied that the special counsel is simply hold be one card to hedge his way into a prosecution is not the issue here. it's not what he's ultimately trying to do. when you charge someone with -- when you have an indictment your intention is possibly to convict, not simply to flip. that may be an aspiration or a secondary issue the...

Have an indictment your intention is to convict not to flip. they may be an aspiration but it's not the ultimate goal. it's very important to consider that even though this is a speculation aspect of it, one charge today in a separate case does not fore close or preclude the person who is indicted right now from being charged in other future cases, involving other collusion related things or money laundering. we're not talking about a closed universe of conclusion right now. we have to be cautious about speculating if this will be the end for this person. there may be any others. >> for people...