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A university comply with it. so it's time universities to stand up and fight back. >> paul: they run the rick of losing their federal funds. they have the ability to sue in court to resist and sue and the fight on first amendment grounds. have they done that? >> so far, not yet but it's impossible to comply. >> paul: are they intimidated by the department or is it sinking in this new policy is taking effect and this will be challenged officer time? >> i think all of that is happening right now. i think the university at some level should be ashamed of themselves for how compliant they have bee...

University to comply with this. it's time universities stand up and start fighting back. >> so you saying that they run the risk if they challenge of losing their federal funds. >> right. >> they are -- they have the ability to sue in court to resist and sue and fight on first amendment grounds. has anybody done that so far? >> so far nobody. no university has come forward to say this goes too far. it's impossible to comply. >> are they intimidated by the departments do you think or just sinking in that this new policy is taking affect and that this will be challenged over time. >> i think all...

Mary katharine. >> i think that's dangerous. i think the universities unfortunately are often on the vanguard in putting in speech codes which punish people for basically having opinions which are not illegal if we're to believe the constitution in america. and the other thing i would say, the university is conducting an investigation of sorts of this. >> inclusion and diversity department. >> let me add one more thing. george washington university you know who was a than palestinian anwar al-awlaki. maybe now this guy is the problem? seriously? >> i didn't know. al awlaki was a muslim chaplai...

Mary katharine. >> i think that's dangerous. i think the universities unfortunately are often on the vanguard in putting in speech codes which punish people for basically having opinions which are not illegal if we're to believe the constitution in america. and the other thing i would say, the university is conducting an investigation of sorts of this. >> inclusion and diversity department. >> let me add one more thing. george washington university you know who was a than palestinian anwar al-awlaki. maybe now this guy is the problem? seriously? >> i didn't know. al awlaki was a muslim chaplai...

Differently. >> bill: and you say? >> in a lot of ways i agree with kristen, liberals are less use to defending themselves. they get a pass when it comes to college universities. if you disagree with the liberal orthodoxy you get slapped with violating the campus speech codes. they don't have to defend their liberal orthodoxy, frankly they are not able to. i do think liberalism is much harder to defend. when somebody does attack them they pull out the name calling and when that doesn't work they try to shut down the speech fairness doctrine speech codes. their intolerance of differences. >> bi...