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Campaign money so they win. it's part of a big, complex game. it's a lot bigger than health care pharma at this point. so i think you're seeing the campaign move out. and one side note to that is missouri's an important state, right? so there are a lot of house members in missouri. there's a lot you could be doing by trying to jump into that media market, beyond senator mccaskill. but mccaskill may be the safest way to do it. >> now, i'm having trouble thinking of a legislative campaign where speech making made any difference at all. in fact, you can normally -- when the clintons tried this, y...

Making around the country, in the final closing stages of getting legislative votes on the hill, where those speeches made any difference? >> i cannot. i would say two things about this. one is that you actually see tightening in the polls on health care reform, which really surprised me. i thought things were pretty cemented. but in the last week or so, actually past the summit, you've seen the support go up a bit and the opposition go down a bit. so that's one data point. the other is that a lot of this speech making is trying to control the media. it isn't just trying to move people. at thi...

Right? so there are a lot of house members in missouri. there's a lot you could be doing by trying to jump into that media market, beyond senator mccaskill. but mccaskill may be the safest way to do it. >> now, i'm having trouble thinking of a legislative campaign where speech making made any difference at all. in fact, you can normally -- when the clintons tried this, you could track that the popularity of the bill declined with every speech that bill or hillary clinton gave. we saw a similar pattern last year, 2009, on this. the same thing happened with george w. bush when he was trying to s...

>> thank you, rachel. >> thank you, lawrence. well, today the president went to missouri to give a teleprompter speech about tax cuts, and apparently just to try to prove that he does have empathy. he read every word that his speech writers gave him about thoughts and prayers for the victims of hurricane harvey. >> i think what we're seeing is really how unnatural empathy is to president trump. >> collective criticism from some circles is that he met no victims, saw no rain, and demonstrated no empathy. >> can i say missouri, or should i say missoura? okay? >> the president hasn't demonstrat...

Okay? >> the president hasn't demonstrated over a period of a week or two weeks that there's any consistency in his speech making in front of a crowd and his law making. >> the polling shows that there is no doubt a bleeding in his support among conservatives and republicans. >> he has got to be his own worst enemy. he couldn't be any worse at achieving goals in politics. >> he's embarrassed them as a president. this is not what they want, and this is not what they expect. >> he's not even professional let alone presidential. if he could at least just become professional, it would be a little ...