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In place and treaties that we signed onto. we did what we had to do to make sure we stopped a terrorist activity from continuing. now that we did it, we need to tell the world the truth. >> what falls under the category of a mistake? does torture fall under the category of mistake? >> we can always be arm chair quarterbacks. every issue in america today is all about how we can divide us into two camps and fight. stop the fighting. what we can do is when we make a mistake, we admit it. we did what we needed to do at the time. we tortured people. we did it. >> according to this report, it didn't...

Different position vis-a-vis these governments. they are chosen by at least some government of democracy. >> by people. what this entire discussion is about is how complex international relations is. in our presidential election cycle, you know, politics is black and white. international relations and certainly intelligence is a murky world of gray. you cannot -- i don't think we're going to have the conversation we need to have in the context that you were talking about because, one, there's not enough time. you can't get context in 90-second two-minute answers. also, it's deeply unsatisfying...