Them yet. >> dana: that's the point. democrats are in more -- >> kimberly: the problem is -- [ overtalk ] >> bob: hard time selling it. >> eric: plan "b"? >> dana: reid can't sell the deficit reduction piece, spending reduction. that will come back to haunt them in 2014. which is that the spending want spend reductions. that he can't sell it means they're in trouble. >> can i make this point? walk away from the negotiatio negotiations. instead boehner tried to cobble it together. >> bob: protect the guys in 2014. they will get blamed.