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At the middle of this. you wrote senator manchin is focused on the cost, that schumer wants to get passed by the end of the year. what is his mindset looking like in this? >> wait and see. none of us should try to predict what joe manchin is going to do and where he'll end up on any given day. one thing clear, he's always warning about inflation and always wanted to go slowly. at a certain point we should listen to what joe manchin says, worried about inflation, the numbers that come out, 6.2% year over year, we'll have more inflation readings throughout the month. he wants to wait and see how...

Say, we are going to sell this building so we can have it on somebody else's expenditure. what we have to do at the federal level is dig into the nuts and bolts of the spend side of this. at the same time, have you to get growth taking place, that means tax structure has to encourage growth. >> on the federal level, it's so big, you know that, who is going to do this? is this up to the executive or up to congress? >> you have smart people. but have you to task them to do it and then have you to get a barrier. the thing we have never had at the federal level is a balanced budget amendment. that...

Saying let's have sessions -- go to camp david. but let's really dig through the nuts and bolts and the pieces of this to get something done by march worn. >> eric: beyond that, you have had suggested and it's working in kansas, to do something quite remarkable to some people, trying to get rid of the income tax. what do you think you can prescribe to the nation so that we avoid the sequestrations and the financial cliffs and the fiscal cliffs so we can get together and solve this problem? >> you know, it sounds overly simplistic, but for too long, government has focused on the revenue side, b...