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Looking to or will determine their vote based on. >> laura, there's a huge meeting coming up later today at the white house at about 5:30. house speaker kevin mccarthy sitting down with president biden to talk the debt ceiling. what are your sources at the white house telling you about expectations at this meeting? >> the white house has tried to project all of this optimism heading into these meetings. there were fits and starts over the weekend, but a white house official was telling me today as they head into this meeting, there's frustrations over two big things, which is they feel as thou...

Location where i could see the path. the white house is just -- we can't be spending more money next year. we have to spend less than we did the year before. it's pretty. easy >> what happens is the first meetings weren't all that progressive, the second ones were, third one was. and then what happens is the carriers go back to the principles. they say this is what we're thinking about. and then people put down their plans. i still believe we will be able to avoid a default. and i think we'll get something decent done. >> they had planned to be here physically in the capital meeting to try to ...

Points, major sticking points right now are about spending caps. we know that republicans want deep spending cuts. the white house not on board with that, they say that would slash some of the president's key priorities. here's what republican house speaker kevin mccarthy had to say just moments ago in talking to our own garrett haake, take a look. >> we've got to get movement by the white house. we don't have any movement yet. we're going to pause. >> you sounded secretly optimistic yesterday. >> yesterday i really felt we were at the location where i could see the path. the white house is ju...

Covid claw backs. of course we want to do that. a permitting reform. the solar industry and wind farmers need it more than the gasoline industry does. the spending caps are the only thing that they're debating at this point. do you think democrats put so much onus on the fact that the media will circle the wagons around them that they ignore the polls that we referenced? >> that's right. they're way overreaching here. take those inflation reduction act subsidies. right now you have billions of dollars according to goldman sachs, you followed it, you know well, 1.2 trillion, i want everybody to...

President biden appointed two aides to start and lead the discussions with house speaker kevin mccarthy's office. they have a long history on capitol hill working on the appropriations sector and the legislative director here at the white house. they will be negotiating with congressman garret graves, a republican who mccarthy picked for the talks to play out. this is something that many had hoped might be a next step in the formal talks. they were hoping they would be able to shrink the room of the conversations. they still need to figure out what exactly the length for a debt ceiling raise w...