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Washington and thus, the bad faith of his opponents meaning no interest in real change or improvement. only in their own -- in their own interest is the cause of the stagnation in washington. and i guarantee you, if you listen to any of his campaign speeches from now until election day, all of the accusations, all of the charges, all of the excuses will fall into those two categories. bad luck, stuff out of my control and bad faith by republicans who are essentially in his accusations acting unpatriotically. >> charles, as you point out, these policies have been quite deliberate from the begin...

Favor of stimulus now? >> no, look. i think the lesson we've learned over the last -- >> so we don't tax and we don't stimulate? like that bush philosophy of don't tax but don't do anything on the spending side and have big deficits going into a spending crisis which has position ld the u.s. so well? >> i guess my view is we just had this experiment in spending stimulus, the biggest spending experiment with over $800 billion spent which we all know was a failure. it didn't create jobs. >> that's completely untrue, actually. we don't know that at all. it wasn't big enough to end the recession, ...