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In your first term around cigarette tax? >> when i became governor, spending actually increased 2% in my first term. revenue increased 42% my first term. without raising anybody's taxes we did it because we had more taxpayers with more taxable income. that's how you get your revenue up. we did that without raising anybody's taxes. revenue increased 50% faster than spending increase. spending went up 2, revenue went up 42. 50% difference. without raising taxes. i did my second term, raised the cigarette tax. i had said when i ran the first time we're not raising anybody's taxes. when i ran for ...

Institutes of health. and 500 million from the cops program, which puts more police on the streets. congressman, when it gets down to those specification, are you willing to defend all of those cuts? >> yes. because last year these agencies got double and triple digit spending increases. you throw the stimulus in there, e.p.a. got a triple-digit spending increase. look, if borrowing and spending was the way to create jobs, we would be at full employment. we are not. we have high unemployment. so, last year, at the end of the fiscal year, the government had 1.4 trillion in leftover money. we ca...

Be the speaker of the house, he is plenty tough. >> bill: yeah, but the reason they are asking you on these affiliates because it makes some people uneasy. >> there is no question about that and we'll talk about that. look, we will also talk to about, you know, i see the possibility of a deal here. i think there is a real possibility that you will see a significant spending cut and that what obama with the five year freeze was proposing was simply a negotiating tool. they have got to come to an agreement. they did during the lame duck. i think they will. i think that the price is that obama is...

Be the speaker of the house, he is plenty tough. >> bill: yeah, but the reason they are asking you on these affiliates because it makes some people uneasy. >> there is no question about that and we'll talk about that. look, we will also talk to about, you know, i see the possibility of a deal here. i think there is a real possibility that you will see a significant spending cut and that what obama with the five year freeze was proposing was simply a negotiating tool. they have got to come to an agreement. they did during the lame duck. i think they will. i think that the price is that obama is...

>> that's one of the reasons that paul ryan is right, both parties have contributed to a crisis in spending. >> but the competitiveness agenda. didn't george w. bush -- i thought he came out in favor of it. >> the point is when you have a $1.4 trillion deficit, you can't look at things from 2004 eyes, you have to look at them in 2011 eyes. we can no longer afford things we want. >> we can't pay for teachers who are going to educate our kids, we can't pay for that? >> you want to talk about specific spending increase, but i didn't hear what specifics the president would cut. this is the problem...