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Congress to push this through because democrats are not going to go through with repealing obamacare. that puts the onus on the white house. potentially it holds up as you said a lot of these other plans for reforming taxes and these spending items. i talked to a top source today who said the white house is talking about these budget cuts today but they may not get everything they're seeking when all this plays out. >> now, to the latest into the investigation of russia's election meddling as the white house pushes back against calls for a special investigation. let's bring in our chief nation...

Spending items to help pay for it. >> exactly that. the there has been very substantial reform of welfare. we've been caping t ping the bi reducing individual benefits. you've got to show work pays. the results really speak for themselves. over the the last five years we've created 2 million net new jobs, mainly private sector full time. we switched incentives so it takes more sense to take as the old system. that is as you say the grand bargain. >> most republican presidential candidates in the united states are against the hike in minimum wage. what would be your advice to them? >> well, you...

Cut back. but again, this is not the occasion in which people are looking at specific spending items. what they're doing is playing all or nothing and the truth is nothing would be a disaster because within a matter of days some of the basic maintenance, the basic management which is necessary to make your department function would no longer be funded and that would start to create problems. >> sam stein is with us in washington. sam, do you have a question? >> yeah i wanted to piggyback on what you said. you do hear people talk about while a shutdown would be bad, it wouldn't be catastrophic ...

Cuts for the wealthy and changing medicare. and the democrats will have a field day with that forever. they're not talking about the economy and i don't think they'll ever get off of it it governor romney doesn't say here are my big budget ideas. >> by the way, i think it a little early too call this pick problematic. it's been out for a couple days. >> i think it could be an opportunity. i can't believe it hasn't been seized. >> i think it's a great opportunity. in paul ryan, you have a guy who can go out there and say look at what this president promised us, that woo would keep and go throug...

good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the big scare. with just four days in the congress high tails it out of washingt washington, there was plenty of talk about the looming consequences of the looming fiscal cliff. we're talking about tax cuts expiring for everyone automatically, payroll taxes going up, emergency unemployment benefits ending and, of course, the $1.2 trillion in so-called sequestration cuts. about half of that sum is going to come from defense. >> the obligation of the commander in chief is to act like the commander in chief, and that would be...