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If i was president, i would not sign an increased budget. absolutely would not do it. they would have to sign the budget. to be clear, it's increasing the debt limit, not the budget. but i want to make sure i understand you. you'd let the united states default rather than raise the debt limb? >> i would provide leadership that says get on the stick, guys, and stop messing around. and cut where you need to cut because we've not raising any spending limits, period. >> i'm going to try one more time, sir. this is debt that's already obligated. would you not favor increasing the debt limit to pay ...

Spending limits, period. >> i'm going to try one more time sir. this is debt that is already obligated. you would you not favor increasing the debt limit to pay the debts already incurred? >> what i'm saying whether we have to do is restructure the way that we create debt. >> so if carson does that tonight, will that kill his momentum. >> first of all i think it's highly unlikely he'll do that tonight. and secondly, i don't think that donald trump would be the person who would benefit if carson were to make a blunder or if he has to defend it tonight. i think once you have left donald trump an...

>> no, not suggesting that at all. what the original question was if you were there and someone was holding a gun to you and asking you about your religion and they had shot other people, what would you do? and knowing that you were next to be killed and that they were going to continue down the line killing people, i would much rather go down fighting. and if all of us attack the shooter, the chances are very strong not all of us would be killed. to me, that doesn't seem like a very controversial thing. >> in another interview on national public radio, dr. carson seemed to struggle about a qu...

Economy going. that's what our governor will try to raise the case for himself of how he has handled ohio and the economy. and, you know, whether that plays or not we don't know yet. he has a lot of critics but he certainly has brought jobs and cut taxes and that kind of thing. so that will be, i think people will be paying close attention on that. >> yeah, gabe? >> yeah. i mean you look at his resume and over the past four and a half, five years he has helped create 350,000 new jobs. he was a part of congress for 18 years. he was the federal chairman of the federal budget committee when ameri...

States. >> reporter: britain has much stricter rules on campaign spending than the u.s. but the last time i checked, it was still a vibrant democracy. in fact many other democracies have such spending limits. >> that's what we believe in. that's what we will deliver. >> reporter: and it's not just campaign finance where the u.s. is an outlier. consider voter turnout. america ranks 31st out of the 34 developed countries in the oecd according to pew. with just over half of its voting-age population turning out in 2012. other countries like south korea, denmark and sweden have turnout rates above...