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Than later. >> what has changed between congressman mulvaney on the debt and budget director mulvaney when you said earlier this week, we need new deficits to increase economic growth? >> this is what's changed, is that i've come to the realization that washington is not going to solve the debt problem, the deficit problem, through spending. i had come to washington in 2011 and had hoped that would be the case, that we had a spending problem and not a revenue problem. >> you've come to that because you acknowledge that there is only so much spending you can cut? >> no. there is a political wil...

On debt and deficit. take a look. >> how can we possibly have a credible discussion about the debt and deficit and not include defense? >> more and more people are recognizing the threat to the overall economy the debt presents. >> we ran up this debt. what are we going to do to make sure it doesn't happen again? >> the debt is a problem that must be addressed sooner rather than later. >> what has changed between congressman mulvaney on the debt and budget director mulvaney when you said earlier this week, we need new deficits to increase economic growth? >> this is what's changed, is that i'v...

Here's congressman mick mulvaney on debt and deficit. take a look. >> how can we possibly have a credible discussion about the debt and deficit and not include defense? >> more and more people are recognizing the threat to the overall economy the debt presents. >> we ran up this debt. what are we going to do to make sure it doesn't happen again? >> the debt is a problem that must be addressed sooner rather than later. >> what has changed between congressman mulvaney on the debt and budget director mulvaney when you said earlier this week, we need new deficits to increase economic growth? >> th...

Deduction, high tax states. i used to be a californian. i'm ava van now. i know new york hates it. have you talked to your members? are they going to go along with this? >> it's not finalized everywhere we go. let's first start with our premise. are we going to write 50 individuals tax for each state? we'll write a fair plan and end loopholes. what happens here is it fair that another state subsidizes the mismanagement of california. we know what happened in california with democrats. they don't have a tax problem. they have a spending problem. so they raise their state tax to 13%. why make th...

Since the mid 1980s because of the reagan tax cuts, but the deficit ballooned. do you think the president's math makes sense here? >> it can. we're abstracting one side of the equation. there's no talk about the spending problem in d.c. the thing i talked about from bernie to trump, the heartland says d.c. is out of control on the spending front. so the math can work. we can get to 4% growth. jfk was pro tax cut, he got 4%, 5% real growth. reagan got 4% 5% real growth. if you blow up spending with it, of course deficits go up. that's the swamp. anything we do up here that has an impact on spen...