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Are starting to change. kansas is a great case example of this. this was a state that cut taxes, we're going to cut taxes, get growth. didn't work at all. so you're starting to see republicans at a state level say, hey, maybe these economics are not really in our favor. politically frankly, steve bannon, i disagree with him about many, many things but he's kind of a political genius because people do feel that the rich are getting a break here. >> but, adam, my friend, try this bumper sticker on for size. raise taxes on the rich, or an alternative bumper sticker, raise taxes on anyone for that...

Putting themselves in and we shouldn't be bound to this idea that the only -- the only variable we can change is how much tax revenue comes in the door. it's really a spending problem at its base. >> go ahead, rana. >> can i jump in here because actually there's a lot of research to show that americans don't have a problem with the tax rates that they themselves are paying. there's been a great brookings study about this recently. but most americans think that somebody, either the very rich or in some cases the poor, are getting a break somehow. i think that the majority of americans actually ...

From this country. they will argue it's heartless and doesn't look good. >> it's outrageous, i'm sorry, and not heartless. if you come into the country in violation of our laws and you're here and you want to stay here and yet you are going to u.s. taxpayers, hard working taxpayers and saying these are programs for which i'm not eligible but i will draw down on tax dollars for my benefit. to put an end to that and say you can't do that and to say that is grounds for your removal on top of your illegal status here, that's not heartless, that is enforcement of our laws. we have a spending proble...

Aand earnings twaet increase. >> trump is making a mistake if he doesn't spend this political capital now. as steve says if you don't go big now, it's going to be much harder down the line. after that, i don't see why the american worker needs to make sure that congress has enough money to spend, we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem. >> we also have a tax problem, because taxes are too high, steve, we have the highest corporate tax in the world. some people are saying we should just focus on corporate tax cuts. >> plitzically that's a loser, saying you're going to take care of cor...

>> this is the fight worth fighting. at the end of the day the question is how to fight it. to vote against it. to speak out against it and be clear in my position and explain why my position is so clear. it is simple. we spend in 201 -- we said in 2011 we're spending too much money. washington has a spending problem. here's how we fix it. the bca fixed it. now we're saying, well, without actually fixing it, we're going to actually increase by 80 billion cozy our spending -- $80 billion our spending in the next two years and in addition we'll allow to have x number of dollars, probably $1.5 tr...