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Incentives to control cost. you use the systems you have. >> i see. look ahead for us, doug. what is coming up in the budget battle we need to be aware of in terms of catalysts? >> i think what they have done is, you know, set this on auto pilot through 2016. so i don't think we're going to see a big battle that was the idea get through the election year without having difficulties in that front. but immediately after the election, the real challenges start. the big spending programs, the medicares, medicaid, affordable care act, social security, are all on unsustainable trajectories. they hav...

Odds of this turning out beautifully really aren't that great. >> gop leaders are playing down talk of a government shutdown, but some conservatives seem to be determined to use the spending legislation to strip funds from planned parenthood. what are you hearing about that? >> well, this is really the big concern of the leadership in congress. the deadline is the end of the month, end of september, otherwise, the government is without funding. the plan really was to pass a stopgap bill, a temporary spending measure so other issues could be worked out. now that this has landed, there's a reall...

Breath of knowledge that jeb bush brings to the table. he brings a lot to the table, much more than those two issues. he has a life long legacy to stand on. >> jeff, is his past a legacy or an asset? >> we'll find out. in the initial stages, it is an asset. he started at 100% name recognition which the other candidates do not. he certainly has the ability to raise money. everyone will take him seriously as a candidate. the problem is -- the irony is, his brother is now seen by the republican base as sort of too liberal. that he was the one who increased the deficit, who put in new spending pro...

Congress, is this issue of the budget cuts. carter has deep experience in knowing the weapons, what is needed, what is not. what these various huge spending programs really accomplish. the ships, the aircraft, the armored vehicles. he's going to have to come in and try like every defense secretary to cut the budget. congress talks about it as everyone on this panel knows but whether congress agrees to cut the budget because it means job in their district, they always push back on the defense secretary. so his two big challenges right off the bat, isis, the war on isis, the budget cut but every...

Come on, man. this isn't about me. it's about the major problem. here's the deal, say whatever you want, but unless we're willing to address this, we're in financial quicksand. here are the numbers in the coming fiscal year. the government will lay out a $3.8 trillion, about 70% of that for mandatory spending programs, mainly social security, medicare, medicaid, and interest on the federal debt. this basic math. the congressional budget office predicts each year over the next 25 years our government programs will wind up costing more than we take in. and they also project our debt to gdp ratio...