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And it is tough to gain the reaction from the politicians that are in power, doug. is it such a difficult problem to solve, the debt, that it can't be done or is it just really, really hard to do it? >> the real news is, it has to be done so doesn't matter how hard it is. we have no choice. if you look what is going on in congress now, we're talking about cleaning up a tiny piece of the budget because the democrats didn't pass a budget last year. going forward, the really big issues have to be addressed. those are large spending programs, defense, social security, medicare, medicaid and new he...

Done with the public. >> is there any evidence that anyone is doing that educating, that anyone is talking straight to the american people? >> well, interestingly paul ryan, the republican chairman of the house budget committee is setting out right now to go around the country with stacks of charts saying, here's how bad the problem is. let me tell you. he's doing that because republicans know that even the cuts that they want to propose, first on spending programs like these, and also later on entitlements are a hard sale. they've got to prepare the groundwork. i agree with you, savannah, not...

Could not do, which is krea jobs. and they haven't done it so far. not enough time on jobs. now the republicans are spending too much time on deficit, not enough on jobs. but they're going to have a chance to write a new budget this the house. what can we expect? >> they do control the house. we heard from the speaker. we also heard from the budget chairman in the house saying they intend to do something about the automatic spending programs like social security, medicare. they say they're going to tackle entitlements in the budget. if you read between the lines, they're going to set goals for...

Absolutely the senator is correct that we need to confront questions like even title -plts and larger spending programs, that has to be done, but we are not going to be able to do entitlement reform unless the president and the democratic leadership steps up and participates and they've rejected that. the one thing that we can do and must do is reduce this wildly increasing discretionary spending as i just mentioned, education, transportation, energy are all receiving double-digit increase. jon: so much to talk about. i want to turn your attention right now to the president's nominee to the ni...

Certainly for the next year, so for the next little while, someone is going to have to sacrifice. we're either going to pay higher taxes, seek cuts or both. we vote government officials into office to represent our interests, and it seems to at least some americans reducing debt is one of our major interests. so i guess here's my question to you. at what point do voters aloulow the government, allow their elected officials to make the tough choices we elect them to make without threatening to throw them out of office because they've made life uncomfortable for us? >> this comes at a very inter...