>> hadn't thought of it that way before. >> right. it's all good news, you know, puppy dogs and dandilions for herman cain. we're talking about him meeting with donald trump, not issues rick perry has had to deal with since he got into the race, from immigration, to hpv, to the latest thing about his ranch. i think because herman cain has been so low in the polls up until he won that florida straw poll a week ago, he's been on the rise. can cain sustain? that is the key question. >> jonathan, i have to ask you, what do you make of herman cain's objection yesterday on television, obvious object...