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Eboni, i think when groups demand, like petition somebody, it actually helps that person. it only fuels the rise. like if you say trump should be on, people want him to be on. >> of course. especially somebody like trump. he's a natural-born contrarian. this is a guy that the more you push him back, the more that just gives him all the energy boost he's going to have moving forward. look, politically savvy minds say this is bad for trump. he should be being a serious candidate. i think that is just ridiculous. this is where he's his best. he's an entertainer, a tv guy. he's best in his element...

Eboni, i think when groups demand, like petition somebody, it actually helps that person. it only fuels the rise. like if you say trump should be on, people want him to be on. >> of course. especially somebody like trump. he's a natural-born contrarian. this is a guy that the more you push him back, the more that just gives him all the energy boost he's going to have moving forward. look, politically savvy minds say this is bad for trump. he should be being a serious candidate. i think that is just ridiculous. this is where he's his best. he's an entertainer, a tv guy. he's best in his element...