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I went over to breitbart, it was also about jeff zucker and the media. it just seems striking to me, i don't think it's a coincidence these two things are happening at the same time. >> oh, no, it absolutely isn't. people get their marching orders and they know exactly where to march. i would slightly disagree with olivia. i think the first network that turns its camera on in defiance of white house orders number one will be meyer personal heroes and role model, but number two will get some wonderful, exclusive video of shawn spider hurling himself on the camera lens or something. but that's w...

I think the first network that turns its camera on in defiance of white house orders number one will be meyer personal heroes and role model, but number two will get some wonderful, exclusive video of shawn spider hurling himself on the camera lens or something. but that's what i mean by responding asymmetrically to an asymmetric attack. the problem with that, olivia, to your point, that puts you in a position where you have allowed yourself to play the role that's been carved out by the white house. >> you immediately look like the enemy, but the question is, is there a way to handle it to pl...