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Morally liberty ends when you, if you will, swinging your arm threaten to punch me. that happens, i have to restrict what you can do. and that's what covid is. >> dr. wen, what do you think about that? i mean, obviously, there are a whole host of some liberties issues regarding it. you were a baltimore health commissioner. how do you see it? >> i really agree with art here that at some point we as a society have to side what are our values? who is it that we are trying to protect? right now the unvaccinated are able to walk around, macless, without any reason to be vaccinated and they're able ...

If you will, swinging your arm, threaten to punch me. that happens. i have to restrict what you can do and that's what covid is. >> dr. wen, what do you think about that? i mean, obviously, there -- there, you know, a whole host of liberties issues regarding just -- you were baltimore health commissioner. what -- how do you see it? >> i really agree with -- with art here. that, at some point, we, as a society, have to decide what are our values? who is it that we're trying to protect? i mean, right now, the unvaccinated are able to walk around, maskless, with -- without any reason to be vaccin...

When i'm talking to you two times in a week because it means something serious and bad is happening, and that is delta variant, which is spreading obviously among unvaccinated populations. but it's spreading and doing damage within vaccinated populations. >> yeah, ali. good to be with you. i wish it were on a better topic or at least a topic of improvement. cases are going up and obviously with that, hospitalizations and deaths are going up. as you mentioned, there's a spillover effect. it's not just the kind of breakthrough infections that we're talking about. we're actually now seeing especi...

Which is currently that hot spot, so they are concerned about a spillover effect and that's why you have local officials doing what's happening behind me, for example, a mega vaccination site where starting today they have a spin to win where they have bringing people in an incentivizing, they can bring them in and get an instant prize. trying to bring up the incentives and boost the incentives. i spoke to people who came in to get vaccinated today and there's differing reasons for why they chose to do it now. this person said she's a grandmother and mentioned her grandkids in her decision to ...

University center for emerging infectious diseases join us. chad, you are in a place where they have devastatingly doubled their new cases in the past week. there is no way to cut it. that's not good. that's not the direction that doctors want to see things trending at, right? what are experts and leaders telling you there about things that people come into the hospital for covid have in common? >> reporter: well, the easy answer, hallie, many of them are unvaccinated. let's go back to the trend that you're seeing in terms of the rise of cases, because last week, we were in missouri, where we ...