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In terms of the time frame. so the fact that he's all over the map suggests i do believe he was trying to do spin control and that some of that spin control was trying inoculate what was going to happen on february 7th. he spent most of his time trying to say cohen is a liar. well, cohen has lied. the difference between rudy giuliani and a michael cohen is michael cohen has admitted it. >> right. and being a lawyer for donald trump carries with it those risks. beth you have stay with me. we're about to bring in another guest and look to some of the politics. the comments here about trump tower...

The president says he encouraged that kind of cooperation, but it's unclear what mcgahn said. is this mcgahn trying to protect himself legally down the road? he's the white house counsel. he's not the president's personal attorney. >> there was one thing don mcgahn had to do before he could take office. he had to take an oath. that was not an oath to donald trump or to any political party. it was an oath to the u.s. constitution. ultimately, don mcgahn's client is the constitution and the rule of law. that's what he was doing when he was cooperating with the special counsel's office. i think d...

Senior fbi official. rudy giuliani says this is powerfully exculpatory. >> this would be exactly where rudy giuliani need some credibility to fill this and he had none. the notion that it takes with one's lawyer discussing hush post-gam payments that you already denied resulted in campaign violations but possibly wire fraud and bank fraud and it is bizarre on its face and seems like the sort of reflexive 180 degrees spin that rudy giuliani have been employing for many months. there are more tapes to come. it is complete spin control and

Welcome back. tonight i'm obsessed how the washington spin control game is corrupting our ability to have meaningful conversations about policy. what i mean -- the labor department reported today the economy added 148,000 jobs in december. keep in mind 148,000 is a disappointing number. hat tip to the daily beast sam stein. a republican said about that job growth under president trump. "our economy continued to make progress last month rounding out a steady year of job growth for hard working americans." okay. what brady two years ago said when the economy added 292,000 jobs in december. with ...

Mueller. >> only logical way to get to the american people is to a point a second special counsel. >> what's your reaction? >> allies on fox news are clearly in full spin control. they want to discredit the investigation, which has already indicted the campaign chairman on charges which include conspiracy against the united states of america, the national security adviser michael flynn has acknowledged and pled guilty that he broke the law, and is now cooperating with the special counsel. george papadopoulos has pled guilty and cooperating. this is only the beginning. what we are seeing is an ...