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That he specifically chose to talk to incoming president trump about mike flynn is not to me president obama settling scores about people who said mean things about him on twitter. it seems to be a higher level that he could raise it in that. it is a bigger deal than sort of a, well, mike flynn didn't like him and president on to be didn't like him. that spin doesn't make sense when it is a president versus incoming president conversation. >> what is your take, mud? >> i think it's simpler than that. i think there are explanations about the 18 days that are pretty straightforward. the first is...

Ms. megyn kelly and bret baier can set the debate stage. they are over in hofstra which is, i don't know, 15 minutes from my house over there. they don't want to see me over there i am bill o'reilly. thanks again for watching us this evening. please always remember that the spin doesn't indeed stops here because we're definitely looking out for you. >> welcome to the second presidential debate between president obama and governor romney. i'm bret baier live in the spin room at hofstra university in hem stead, new york. >> i'm megyn kelly. the town hall setting with undecided voters from that s...

You. >> yeah. >> sean: how did you feel about that? >> i'm not keen on criticism just as a general thing, but that was right at the beginning. the criticism is pretty much gone away now because people realize that spin doesn't work if everybody's seen the event. 67 million people watched it. 67 million other people reacted ll of that. leverybody's prettypo wel this. nobody's blaming me for it, blaming me for anything.

Interview. >> intent comes up when there's a questionable issue, when there's a close call. there's to close call when you have eyewitnesss saying there was oral sex taking place or he was fondling the child. that intent issue comes up with there's a close call with evidence that's not clear. again, like costas focused on, this grand jury statement of facts is compelling. it's almost difficult to read, ed. it's so compelling. because of the fact -- >> is jerry sandusky trying to win over the crowd, so to speak? i mean, there's a tremendous amount of love from fans toward the penn state footbal...

The penn state football program. this guy's been around that community for a long, long time. is this about winning in the public arena as much as anything else? >> ed, he can win in the public arena. at best what sandusky is going to be able to accomplish is maybe do something for penn state and make it not look so bad for penn state. when it comes down to that courtroom, when the jury sits and listen to the facts, all this spin doesn't do him a bit of good. it might say, in the long run, i guess it could maybe save penn state money over the millions of dollars they're going to have to pay. t...