He's seen countries trying to tear each other apart, and he's determined not to see that happen. after saying that, i think the long-term strategic challenge for the u.s. is how do you deal with that growing alliance between china and russia, because their power combined, i think, is the greatest threat in the long term. >> what's your take on that, ambassador? >> well, i agree. they have become -- russia and china are closer today than probably any time in their history. there was a brief honeymoon period after mr. mau took over in the communist revolution, but after that there was a split ba...