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The question is absolutely. one of the biggest problems in this has been germany s unwillingness to go that way and the noerd stream 2 pipeline, the pipeline directly bipartisaning ukraine and other places is an extremely crazy decision by the germans to push it because it plays into putin s hands. and you re absolutely right, a conservative european approach to wean itself off of that, which would, of course, fit broadly with longtime private thoughts in europe is very sensible. but europe is divided, divided on russia policy and as david said, the only way the west can stand up to the menacing role that putin is taking is by being united. i think it s really important to understand why putin is doing this, this sort of spoiler menacing role is very much i think part of his domestic focus. his domestic oppression, which have been writing quite a lot about, is gaining and becoming i ....
This. this sort of spoiler menacing role is very much i think part of his domestic focus. his domestic oppression, which have been writing quite a lot about, is gaining and becoming a much more oppressive, much more nasty sort of quasi shifictic state. the way he uses his antagonism with the west as a justification for this, as a cold war mentality, justification for the domestic repressive behavior. and having a ukraine that is a deep stabilized, ideally quasi-failed state is exactly what he wants. a stable ukraine supported by the west is absolutely something that putin cannot count on. so, like david, i don t think we will see tanks rolling across the border any time soon but the presence at the border is menacing ukraine, the use of gas as a leaver to do that to, to make sure ukraine is perpetually unable to stabilize and unable to function, is part of putin s geopolitical move and ....