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Again. that is what all of the head -- top people close to nixon did. they couldn't take the fifth because they felt it was politically impossible to do and they all wound up not only being convicted of obstruction of justice, but also perjury. >> well roger stone is one of the longest serving members of trump's kitchen cabinet who is now indicted. his tone has changed already and we're in week one. it is fascinating. nick ackerman and sam cedar and carolyn. i'll fact check the claim that the feds are being too rough on stone and we'll look at treatment of poor and people of color and my guest...

To be able to do that. and there's not many that can stand the test. you know, i just felt that california chrome, he looked great in the derby. he looked great in the preakness. but to come back in three weeks, it is very hard. and that's why it's hard. >> okay. so -- >> to say that you don't want to face any morel challengers in that belmont stakes, though, that, to me, that's just not right. >> well i get that. you always want the best competition against you to prove that you are the best. however, is there anything to this point that the belmont becomes a spoiler race and that people almo...