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>> the health care reform is not a centralized state. >> 15,000 pages worth? all right already 15,000 pages? >> let me just say, you have 18% of the gdp, which are trying to regulate. okay? that is $2.6 trillion. it's the size of the economy. >> i know. they can't do it. it's going to fail. >> you cannot have regulations. the government has to set ground rules. those ground rules are going to take a lot of pages. >> all right. >> we still have a lot of the free market. we have insurance companies, all the doctors and all of the hospitals are liberal. >> okay. the cbo estimates only one million...

Suffer these costs? >> enrollment under employer sponsored care went up. >> it was a different economic climate. and the plans under obama-care are expensive because the copays have been gotten rid of. and the other thing -- megyn: in massachusetts they put more of a copay on the individual patient. >> absolutely. megyn: under the president's healthcare it's the company. >> now the premiums are going through the roof. in massachusetts there was a long waiting line for doctors after romney care passed. here is the bottom line. doctors cannot afford to work with this insurance and are not paying...