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Trump and more toward the democratic party or at least, you know, an anti-trump environment. so it's ripe for the picking. but, you know, this is not something that we could have even dreamed about happening a couple months ago. then we would have another opportunity back in georgia besides of course the 2020 general. so you've got two chances here for a pickup. what if stacey abrams just happens to be the vice presidential candidate. >> democrats didn't see 1980 coming until the very last minute. literally, people were having to look up who is mack? what is this guy? [ laughter ] but my point...

Welcome back. i needed a second segment to finish mid-obsess sod i'm joined by michael mcfaul. there's been multiple theories of what the russians did with the trump campaign, someone that there was a big secret meeting with trump and putin who plotted this out. or more realistically it was some form of the spread offense by the russians. it doesn't seem as if it was one attempt. that it was 30 attempts. is that fair? >> yeah, i like that metaphor, spread offense, for sure and over multiple years and multiple modalities. they reached out directly and offered up kompromat on the candidate but t...

Between disruption and implementation. i think there's a lot of political value in coming to washington as he has and saying that i'm not going to be locked in to the old ideas. both parties i think republicans and democrats have been sort of used up in old ideas that they have pedaling for 30, 40 years. they may be good ideas but i think they're exhausted. but if you want to get anything done in washington, there's a certain way you go about it and so i think where we've seen him do well, whether it was the supreme court nomination and conffirmation of neil gorsuch, or more conventional appro...

They were going to try to stop him, and i think they've gist -- look, trump makes it difficult. matthew conetti, editor at the "freebie con"in his weekly column did a terrific job today trying to explain trump a little bit. "it appears trump strategy is to be on offense everywhere. if you do it all over the place your opponents don't know where to focus." i think democrats haven't figured out do you fight him everywhere? it's like displaying the spread offense or zero in. >> we're not hearing a whole lot of complaints about the ethics issues which according to the ethics chief are profound. on...

Mika, who's your pick? do you want me to tell you? >> steelers. >> you like the bridges. >> big ben picks up his third, steelers. >> i'm with you, steelers. john heilemann? >> packers. >> peggy recuses her least because she's the lead analyst in the game for fox. >> thank you. that was gracious of you. anxiety for me. >> joe namath, who do you like, packers, steelers to win it all. >> i like the packers to win it, a really well balanced team. i'll be pulling for the steelers, though. i do like that packer defense as well as rodgers' ability to spread the receivers around. and get some yardage ...