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He may be there as a watcher on devin nunes to keep things on the straight and narrow. trey gowdy, conservative republican, now affirming there was nothing wrong, that he saw, using an informant was exactly the appropriate thing and in the president's best interest. >> right. on the one hand i'm not surprised that he's saying that. part of the reason that doj probably did let people look at this information is that they knew how strong it was and that once anybody who at least could objectively look at it would say, oh, okay. nothing wrong here. this was the right thing to do. what also isn't ...

Been shared and reviewed? didn't we do that already? >> we did do that last week. that's absolutely correct. giuliani is requesting that they be shared with the president's legal team. i would point to laettnter in t interview he said do you want to know why the president is mentioning spy gate? because it works. so there's abvery u very unabas strategy to say these things that may not be true and aren't even necessarily legal strategy, but to basically try to sway public opinion. even among the president's orbit among the people who sort of don't like the tweets and advise him to let mueller'...

>> mr. director, it's willie geist, good to see you. the president is calling this spygate. he believes the president infiltrated his campaign to spy on him, you say it was to see how russia may be influencing the russians. you said the other day that they were spying on, a term i don't particularly like. what's a spy? what's an informant? what's the distinction for you. >> for me -- everybody has their own narrative on this as you well know, but for me if you're going to use the term spy which i never have liked, but let's assume it's a valid term, to me that suggests using intelligence trade...

Committed on your street and you say nothing it makes donald trump and his entire team more guilty. >> you're introducing a timeline of facts, joe, which is not where the president of the united states want this is to go, that's why the word spy gate has been introduced, why spies in his campaign have been introduced to muddy the waters and under mine the investigation and that brings us into our next guest. >> let's bring in former director of national intelligence james clapper, the author of the new bookt "facts and fears, hard truths from a life in intelligence" and we thank you for being ...

Poisoned the well and there's a lot of americans like matt is saying, they are not going to accept the findings? >> this is like giving arsenic to someone you are trying to kill slowly over time. just trying to kill interest in anything mueller might come out with or any credibility with what he could come to the floor with. to me, this is about the midterms. they are -- this argument that it is not a legitimate investigation is finding purchase with a large swath of voters in the country, obviously, republican voters, people that support trump, and there are, even though there's many republic...