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Russia. that's just the bottom line. and so, it would have been much better to do that, and i think at every step of the way, i think they deliberately took aggressive investigative steps because i think that they did want to get the goods and, oh, by the way, at the same time this is going on, the fbi's also running the hillary case with a lot of the same cast of characters, like peter strzok and at every step of that investigation instead of being zealous, they made disconnect and this spy-gate only adds to that. neil: and congressman, as i said earlier, the prosecutor whose original mission...

Relationship between other people in the metoo movement who have been charged with assaulting women. this is just not the way criminal investigations or national security briefings, which is what this essentially was, are supposed to work. and we understand what the motive was. giuliani said plainly, they were hoping to get information in order to shorten the investigation. that is completely improper and giuliani knows it. >> so as a lawyer what do you think were the intentions or the appropriateness of having emmet flod and john kelly turn up at this meeting? >> well it's completely inapprop...

Mcconnell saying nothing surprised him. what do you make of it? >> well, i believe really pretty simple, that this investigation is going on as it should be going. there was no grand conspiracy here. doesn't appear that anybody was implanted in the trump campaign from the fbi or some informant. that wasn't the case. it's a big nothing as far as i'm concerned. i thought rod rosenstein had it right when he said there is concern about this streks, well, we'll have the inspector general look into it. that's the proper way to deal with it. i think the president, you know, damaged himself by calling...

But it is not the same as the fbi paying someone who is a senior level official from the campaign and working in trump tower. that would be a more eye-brow raising level and that is a spy. >> and that would be infiltration. >> and for a long time they tried to make the case the campaign was spied on. over a year ago he tweeted that obama tapped trump tower and still waiting for the evidence on that. and the reason why the president is branding this as spy gate and talking about it is because -- it in his mind gets you one step closer to being able to substantiate that allegation he made so lon...

Country. and you know, this was nothing caused spy gate. they can say spy gate all they want. this is really watergate two. this is another break-in. it's a break-in into the fbi files on an ongoing investigation by the very people that are the subject of the investigation. and i just want to say i don't know if devin nunes cares a wit what i think but he had better watch out because this looks to me like more obstruction? plain sight. >> jim, you worked for harry reid when he was part of the gang of eight which is the sort of majority/minority leaders in both houses and the chair and ranking ...