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Spy master. now, this guy, gorkov, who jared kushner was talking to, is a graduate of spy school and he runs this sanctioned bank. is there any belief that his conversations were being monitored as well? >> well, i could try and take that. we don't know for a fact, david, but we do know, and we've reported, that there are russian-to russian conversations that had been intercepted in which the russians were bragging about their relationship with flynn. we don't know if there are russian-to-russian conversations that were intercepted that were bragging about other people in the administration or...

>> what you said, is that working the case backwards, and do you fear at all this would be an imposition of civil liberties? >> i've watched a lot of these things over the years. i served in both terms of reagan's white house, in addition to running his campaign. the critical thing, once these things start you don't control them, they go a variety of ways. i think in this case, the banker is more of interest. most people realize in our intelligence community that the ambassador is pretty of the key spy master. it's never been disclosed that way, but they think of him as the spy master. you beg...

Others, and it could limit his ability to ever grow. so, you know, i think the's some cfort for him in that. but it is just the cashcading of these things that is making it very hard for them to get out. as he makes his way over to saudi arabia, it would be good for the president to think about how much jet fuel he has added to turn this into a run away rocket. there's so much instances in the last one that we though about is this strange conversation with the russians. kislyak, who was in the room, is a russian spy master at the center of this whole story. he was the guy who flynn was con sor...

You know, it's just the cascading of these things that is making it very lard for hhar to get out. it would be good for the president to think about how much jet fuel he has added to turn this into a runaway rocket. there's so much instances in the last one that we though about is this strange conversation with the russians. kislyak, who was in the room, is a russian spy master at the center of this whole story. he was the guy who flynn was con sorting with according to some. trump is bragging to him or unloading in front of him about how he fired this nut job comey to get the russian -- take ...

Those are the only photos we get. the official readout does not disclose that ambassador kisl k kislyak, the man is who the subject of the conversations with michael flynn that led to his firing, the man who jeff sessions had to recuse himself over not being truthful about his meetings with and a person jared kushner met with in trump plaza taking him in the back way. >> and a man who's thought to be a spy master. >> deeply involved in russian espionage efforts. this man is in the oval office undisclosed by the white house, itself. we only learned, right, he's there and lavrov is there. the co...