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Out. the white house has welcomed this ambassador into the united states, even though intelligence sources have told cnn that he's like a spy master that he's the top russian spy in america, that he's a spy recruiter. still, he's the russian ambassador to the u.s. so the white house lets him in. even, you know, avoiding a handshake with him would have been difficult. but what makes this strange, you see these big smiling photographs. president trump grinning in a huge, friendly way with kislyak in the oval office. it's the timing of this. i mean, one day after president trump fires the fbi dir...

The white house. you served in the obama white house. what does it say to you? >> well, look, it is shocking to think, astonishing to think, they didn't realize what a fire storm this would think. they thought it was a great idea to bring in the spy master for a private session with the president and invite only russian media to cover the event. then maybe not that astonishing. but there is a more insidious explanation. which is, that somewhere in the white house, there are people who did understand that it was going to be the fire storm that it was and decided that it was worth taking the hit...

Various news organizations and maybe the intelligence agencies over there are locking for a way of using supposed russian links to damage mr. trump. we have seen specific examples of that. the russian ambassador in washington whom i know quite well when i worked with him in moscow is a senior russian diplomat just like i was a a senior british diplomat. he's been droibed by some news organizations as a spy master. he's not. he's a good whose job it is to meet influential americans and get to know what they are thinking and where they are going. accusations of that sort to muddy the water treme...

That russia's ambassador be described as a spy master. is that overdoing it? >> i don't know. it doesn't matter. definitely he has been reporting to back to moscow and if he has another spy master in embassy doesn't change the equation. and is that vladimir putin and by the foreign minister. >> wanted to punish the united states. >> which is normal diplomatic practice. you said of 35 guys from washington would do the same for moscow. putin didn't do it which is highly unusual for a strong man because he cannot show weakness. that's against putin's nature. putin's dictator's rule, he did it whi...

To know people. i personally have been working on the united states so long, that i know almost everybody. >> reporter: current and former top officials say u.s. intelligence consider him one of russia's top spy and spy recr t recruiters in washington. but russian officials scoff at the idea he's a spy master. >> please, stop spreading lie and false news. >> reporter: trained as an engineer, kislyak cut his dploe diplomatic teeth in the cold war and his first posting to the u.s. came as mikhail gorbachev tried to reform the soviet system. during his four decades as a diplomat, kislyak held sev...