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Was still editing, _ when we had squidgy gate, which was the tape - between princess diana and james gilbey, which isjust a few years before this. - there were all kinds of things going on at that time. - there was a... and also what is not, i you know, never really remembered is that, you know, when the duke of cambridge i made his statement, - which i thought was slightly unwise, in fact, quite unwise, but understandable, - what he perhaps doesn't understand is that his i mother was using a number ofjournalists, including - andrew morton, as we know, but others as well, _ and his father was ...

There is much more governance. the irony of this is _ that the governance changes, which the government say they want the bbc to adopt, they— have already adopted. this is already in place. and it's the same in newspapers. i mean, you know, partly. because all kinds of things and leveson and the decline i of the power of those papers, the kind of things that went on then would not go on now. _ i also think it's important, perhaps, not to defend i martin bashir, i don't know- martin bashir, but i do always have sympathy with somebody i where the entire world turns against them, and that is wh...