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They lost those too. i think that's an electoral reality ted cruz and others haven't realized. they can use what vestiges of power they have to press these issues, but the more they do that, the more they're going to alienate parts of the electorate. that's why other parts of the republican party, including john boehner and a lot of the governors like chris christie and scott walker, have been pushing back on the idea that republicans should be single mindedly trying to defund obama care. they need to move on to other things they might be able to build an electoral majority around. >> well, an...

This is a very disturbed individual, an insane person. so we care less about that than if it's al qaeda, right, or the terrible attacks at the marathon where we needed a lot more video and information because we needed to help the country understand what the attack was. >> you make an excellent point. that day, the next day, we need to get those names out there. when we first put out the boston bombers' pictures, that was important. we have to find these individuals. we have their faces. we don't have their names. in that situation, the media and the public worked with police to help catch the...

Do we as media have to say the names of these killers over and over? because we know as psychologists have said on this show, this is what these deviant folks they want. they want to join that sort of infamous roll call of folks from aurora to newtown to gabby giffords in arizona, on and on and on. they want to join that. we as media are partly giving into that and giving them that notoriety that they want. and it becomes almost like sort of shooter porn or killer porn. we are showing this over and over and over, saying their name over and over, pictures over and over. >> but what's the altern...

The conversation? does it help us solve anything? does it help people better understand the situation? it reminds me of the 911 call from the elementary school in atlanta. we can play a clip of it quick to remind people. >> it's going to be all right, sweetheart. i just want you to know i love you, though, okay? i'm proud of you. don't worry about it. we all go through something in life. >> that call was meaningful for a lot of people and was a hero. i think what toure is speaking to is an important point, which is that we don't want the material, whether spread by the media or by social media...

I think viewers know that, obviously, from our reporting. so what do you make of all of this, the dishonesty with which he waves this campaign? >> i think there's two things. what do republicans want in exchange for not shutting down the government? they clearly want something. it's just different republicans want different things. what john boehner and eric cantor -- their primary goal was maintaining the spending cuts from sequestration. looks like they're going to get that goal, even if a clean cr comes back from the senate. the house will have gotten its way on spending levels. and then wh...