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Versus white men, yeah, that also paints this in a different color so to speak. >> let's turn to the world cup, riddled with controversies. human rights issues, the issues about not being able to wear the armband, the issues go on and on. but have those controversies overshadowed the games? >> yeah, but that decision was made when they decided to put it in qatar. >> boom. do you think fifa is gonna be a lot more thoughtful next time around? [laughter] no, as the guy whose head is the shape of a football. >> i'm just trying. fifa are not going to be more thoughtful. >> north korea next. >> it h...
It in qatar. >> boom. do you think fifa is gonna be a lot more thoughtful next time around? [laughter] no, as the guy whose head is the shape of a football. >> i'm just trying. fifa are not going to be more thoughtful. >> north korea next. >> it had been a long time ago that we forget. >> you are saying we need to be optimistic, right? i'm trying to be optimistic. i'm trying to connect. >> right, keep in mind guys, this was in qatar as a result of a little bit of under the table stuff. >> a little bit? >> and when you think back to it, the amount of money, you and i have talked about this in t...
That. >> do you wish he didn't do that? >> i was not involved in that. that was a long time ago. >> that was a long time ago. jared kushner speaking there with jonathan swan of action owe in an extraordinary interview. and jonathan joins us now. jonathan, good morning. always good to see you. a little backdrop because we were just discussing jared kushner doesn't do a lot of interviews. how did you compel him to sit down? >> just bribery, willie. >> just straight bribery. cash deal. >> under the table stuff. you know? >> fair enough. oh, you're just going with that. okay. we got a lot in this ...