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Already in europe because he was the ringleader of another isis plot against belgium back in january. so it would have been difficult for him to come in on his own passport. they're trying to piece all of that together. whether he perhaps came in with these two stadium attackers or whether maybe he was in leros to welcome, to greet them when they arrived in europe, the other two attackers. still piecing that together, the investigators. >> paul, at a minimum, it seems the refugee trail, you know, this road, this path to get from greece to western europe is something that was part of this plot ...

The idea here is of him stage managing the attacks by phone while they're happening. earlier in the evening, and we know this from the paris prosecutor, he'd be in phone touch, as well, with the stadium attackers. one of the stadium attackers right until the point where the stadium attackers started blowing themselves up. it would appear that on the ground that night, he was really orchestrating this entire operation. these new details just being published in the journal ctc sentinel. article by a french terrorism expert, carol. >> silly question, of course he can't, unless he could see with h...

Publishing, he is revealing that the ring leader in this plot in paris, abdel hamid was outside the bataclan speaking animatedly into a hands-free cell phone. and the interpretation of this is that he was stage managing what was going on inside the bataclan concert hall itself, in touch with the attacker as the attack was ongoing. earlier that night, he had been in touch with the stadium attackers as well, right until the time when they blew themselves up, chris. stunning new details. >> jean-charles, pat on the back to you for excellent reporting on this. this is a battlefield type tactic. wh...

Control over this attack on the night of the attacks. he had also been in contact by phone with bilal had hafdi, one of the stadium attackers. in fact, he stayed on the phone for a minute or two after the first of the stadium attackers blew themselves up, so he might have heard it happening over the phone. so, this was a guy pulling all the strings the night of the attack. but he wasn't going to be killed himself. he was saving himself for a second-wave operation. a few days later he was going to target a shopping district in paris, dressed in expensive suit so he could blend in with another c...