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You to cross a line. but your morality is loose. you can just say, how did the gfc happen, how did all these people that went to ivy league schools, how could people who have degrees in economics and accounting be staffing documents -- >> what is the easy answer? >> is that they didn't lose their soul all at once, they had a little bit here, a little push here. >> did you lose your soul completely? >> i think that's hard to say, because i think i got to a point in my life where i was probably about as awful a person as i was capable of being and still walking around, and to say well, i was abl...

Gfc happen, how did all these people that went to ivy league schools, how could people who have degrees in economics and accounting be staffing documents -- >> what is the easy answer? >> they didn't lose their soul at once, a little bit here, a little push there. >> did you lose your soul completely? >> i think that's hard to say, because i think i got to a point in my life where i was probably about as awful a person as i was capable of being and still walking around, and to say well, i was able to get back to the person my parents seth sent out into the world. that's another journey in itse...

Become this criminal? >> i think what happened was, when you get into this section of wall street, there's rationalizing what you're doing. i rationalized them one step at a time. and one rationalization allows you to cross a line. but your morality is loose. you can just say, how did the gfc happen, how did all these people that went to ivy league schools, how could people who have degrees in economics and accounting be staffing documents -- >> what is the easy answer? >> they didn't lose their soul at once, a little bit here, a little push there. >> did you lose your soul completely? >> i th...