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We'll see how that plays out over the coming months. all right, secretary sebelius. thank you so much for being with us this morning. i think we have probably lost sound here or something. >> i can hear you. but i -- thanks for having me. >> you're welcome. >> i think she was like, who cares about oklahoma anyway? let me ask you a question, bob. and we're not joking anymore. >> no, we're not. >> president obama and the white house, very good at stage craft. >> right. >> lots of people behind them. we saw all the people behind them, remember the fainting pregnant lady. how come there wasn't a s...

That the stage craft and the technology was really kind of advanced. >> i wasn't as sarcastic in my analysis. >> willie geist? >> i thought mark sanford's answer to the question about his -- >> the bill clinton. >> that was a good line, but i think he's up against a tough opponent. she's obviously smart and willing to punch hard. >> there's clear issues with leaving the state. but for other politicians in a similar situation, it's interesting to me how they get a pass. and bill clinton's a great example. a complete pass. >> well, i think democrats, and that's the thing democrats going after an...

>> when i talk about the president's trip for me such a triumph. i've worked on presidential trips. it was both state craft and stage craft. so he goes through, he meets with leaders, he has this really emotional good conversation with young people. and then as he's leaving on the way out he sort of brings two of america's biggest allies who have been at odds and gets them together okay you guys you got to start talking. it was something to see. it's good for us. it's good for our policies but also something to marvel at. >> i agree. this was -- i was surprised by it. a lot of people were. peo...

And they have definitely walked that back saying it's not apocalyp apocalypse, it is dumb. but i do think for republicans, they don't have a good message. very mixed message. the democrats have been very united in terms of what they're saying and i think the president did himself some good today looking like a reasonable man. i think the press conference is a better format for him than speeches because he looks like he's there and magnanimous. >> he's not as much stage craft with first responders and people in hard hats. >> looks more performative. so, you know, i think in some ways he has alr...

Permanent tax cuts for the rich saying any talk of making any rates permanent is moot because part of their offer is doing comprehensive tax reform next year. are you buying that? >> no. i think it's important right now to step back and understand the stage craft that the losing side in these debates always has to go through. i went through two of these negotiations very intimately when i was a staff government reform committee in '91. it's slow walking. when one side realizes they've lost debate but not able to go to their caucus and tell them they lost. in boehner's case because he's a weak ...