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And i was just -- i could feel the drums that one of our native american friends have serenaded the day before, and i could feel those drums. >> jimmy, you've known julius for 30 years. it's now up to the governor to decide whether to follow the board's recommendation. do you feel optimistic that he will? >> i do. you know, this whole journey proved to me and the jones family that, a, when you have the power of your voice and when you use it, you know, amazing things can happen. and this is a living testimony of going through stage one, commutation, stage two commutation, and today it is an am...

Friends -- i could feel those drums. >> jimmy, you have known julius for 30 years like i said. is -- it's now up to the governor to decide whether to follow the board's recommendation. do you feel optimistic that he will? >> i do. you know, this whole journey proved to me that, hey, you know, when you have the power of your voice and when you use it, you know, amazing things can happen. and this is a living testimony of going through stage one commutation, stage two commutation. now, clemency today. it is an amazing day and amazing feeling to be where we are today so we have full faith and cre...