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>> and we are going to get the photographs and we will also -- let me turn this around. did you examine the whole thing? >> yes. >> now this cutting, did you have anything to do with this cutting there? >> no, that was in tact when i examined the item. >> there appears to be on the backside of the item some writing here and some i would refer to them as holes. but can you explain that, sir? >> that would be my stain c that i examined and those are the cuttings that i took to perform the dna testing. for this one i took three small and put them in as a sample. >> as opposed to the prior sample ...