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>> it's just noise. investigations don't come with an expiration date. you know, just a small example. but for instance we know the president traveled with hope hicks the other day on air force one. small point. but that would mean for instance investigators want to talk to hope hicks again. if they want this investigation to end, they ought to stop creating new evidence. right? and prosecutors have an obligation in my view to follow every logical lead. they keep handing him logical leads. >> one thing that's interest is that we see rudy giuliani is now getting the issue of can the president b...

Certain level he probably welcomes it. but, you know, i think the reason that brennan really gets under his skin is that donald trump's brand and with the mueller investigation, no collusion, no collusion, no collusion, every tweet. no collusion. in all caps. and then you look at what brennan says, he just says the opposite what you just said, rick and what susan said. obviously there was collusion. that's sort of textbook definition of collusion. we don't know if it amounts to a crime but obviously it took place. he just states the obvious. and that coming from a person with the gravitas of b...

Unfettered discretion. i hope he doesn't go down that path. the court has given him great deference to the president. >> the manafort verdict. if this jury -- you can look at it either way whether these questions are significant. what if they come back with no conviction. doesn't mueller have a great deal at stake vis-a-vis the russia investigation? >> yes. but to acquit a defendant, a jury must be unanimous. there's some confusion sometimes about that. to conviekt it must be 12-0. to acquit it must be 12-0. anything sells a hung jury. a hung jury gives the prosecutors, the government the opti...