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>> well, it's interesting that he has retained a credible lawyer whom he is likely paying well. it makes it sound like he's not going to just do the steve bannon defiant route. he -- doesn't mean that they are engaging and that they intend to actually continue to engage. i have listened carefully to congressman thompson and kang monday kinzinger responses when they have been asked about what patel and scavino are doing with the committee. what they say is they are engaging. we don't have patience forever but we wanted to make a good faith effort. at this point, they continue, quote, to engage ...

Wait it out. maybe i'll go ahead and violate this law. maybe i'll go to jail and i'll just take it because he's operating under the same crazy fox news world assumption that he can just wait it out, thug it out, go to jail and donald trump will magically come back into power or come back into power because they steal the election and pardon him. if he's thinking that, would he be crazy to think that? >> you know, well, the short answer is all of this is a stalling tactic. i mean, as you said, there is no executive privilege here and there is no defense for steve bannon, but the point is they'r...

Steve bannon, mark meadows, dan scavino, kash patel. it's not just about the days of the insurrection. it's about the days prior. all of the pressure points. that's what the committee clearly wants to find out. because those are the scenes they reference from our book. >> laura, you're shaking your head in agreement here. i'm wondering the stalling tactic that they're doing. so the select committee can't get there, can't serve them and they're just not complying. is there any way to expedite this through the courts? >> well, you know, the idea of being able to have, unlike last time when they ...

Re-elect president trump. steve bannon, mark meadows, dan scavino, kash patel. it's not just about the days of the insurrection. it's about the days prior. all of the pressure points. that's what the committee clearly wants to find out. because those are the scenes they reference from our book. >> laura, you're shaking your head in agreement here. i'm wondering the stalling tactic that they're doing. so the select committee can't get there, can't serve them and they're just not complying. is there any way to expedite this through the courts? >> well, you know, the idea of being able to have, u...

Because we've got to be sure that something like january 6th never happens again. that was a true threat to our self-government. it's a -- that's about as clear of a threat as you can possibly have, an outgoing administration that has lost an election, orchestrating a violent mob to overturn the process that would usher them out. that is about as close to a coup as you get. and we just can't have that again. they out to cooperate. the american people deserve to know what happened. we have got to ensure that that's the case so that we have an accountable government now and through the years to ...